I too grew up with having poke greens fixed. The fact that these were young, inexperienced kids without the influence of older, wiser goats to help lead them to which plants to eat likely played a role. Each flattened, spherical, green berry turns dark-purple or ink-black and usually contains 10 seeds. Exercise caution when doing so, since the plant is toxic to humans as well. I'm very familiar with the pokeweed plant, but never knew its name or that it was poisonous. Great post! How to Wash a Goat. It's obvious you're taking good care of your goats, though. Most of my goats have loved my english ivy growing all over my house and back retaining wall. Informative post, Jennifer. I might be a non-goat owner, but with 3 horses in large pastures, this is just a reminder to be vigilant and check periodically for any new plant growth that could be toxic. They learned an important lesson that pokeweed is poisonous and not good fodder for goats. * First, the thick taproot and immature green berries should never be eaten. Some articles say it is quite bitter and livestock avoid it and others say livestock will eat it readily. The roots are considered to be the most dangerous part of the plant. I don't have much personal experience with chickens myself to know for sure but I did find this link. I will have to see if we have that here. Pokeweed should be removed from pastures and barnyards. For another, its persistent and somewhat aggressive and difficult to eradicate. Good pasture management, with mowing and weed removal, will suffice in keeping pokeweed under control. It's better to be safe than sorry. This sort of experience makes it difficult to talk about meat processing in public setting. Some of the symptoms of pokeweed poisoning in livestock may include colic, diarrhea, oral irritation, excessive salivation, depression, weakness and death; although fatalities in goats are not common unless large quantities of the plant are consumed. Home Forums > General Category > Dairy Goat Info > Poke weed poisoning Discussion in 'Dairy Goat Info' started by peregrine, Oct 23, 2009. SIGNS: It may be mild in some and severe in others. Reports are not clear, but consider pokeweed as unsafe in hay and other feeds. Let them into pasture again and not problem for 3 weeks, then one day boom, one looked off. The Pokeweed is in the very corner of the fence. Noted in the human literature but not well published in the veterinary literature is the mutagenic and teratogenic properties of pokeweed, that is the ability to induce mutations (and possibly cancer) and birth defects. Want to see what I mean? All my life I have heard of people eating poke leaves. The goats NEVER eat the berries or leaves, but they do rub their horns on the trunks/stalks. It has a smooth, stout, purplish stem that branches extensively and can reach up to 2 inches in diameter. my pup has lyme disease right now. Horses and ruminants do not exhibit vomiting, which is seen in humans, dogs, cats, and pigs. A blog about the day to day life and happenings on an 80 acre goat farm in Kansas called Shiloh Prairie Farm. Pokeweed, or Phytolacca americana a poisonous herbaceous perennial plant that can reach a height of 10 feet. In most cases, the symptoms may be seen within a few hours (up to 6 hours) of eating the plant product. Although, my horses do not eat them. Cheers! If you suspect your goat may have been poisoned by something it is important to prevent further exposure to the poison. No signs of that. You can see that it grows very tall. No answer but getting charcoal and something like mylanta (a quart per goat said the vet)... well had quite the adventure & came out looking like a pokadot girl charcoal and mylanta white... then banamine. © All Rights Reserved, I don't know if someone told my goats that poke sallet was good or maybe they just heard about the, http://www.pokesaladfestival.com/plant.htm, Why Goats Should Not Have Pokeweed Parties, A Single Mom's Adventure into Urban Homesteading. My goats have eaten pokeweed. Most will eat poke but not every goat. Pokeweed is an interesting plant but definitely not a plant you want in your livestock pastures. News and information on goats and farm life also! So wherever a berry is dropped, you can bet a new plant will pop up next year. I plan to build on the property one day and I would like it to not be a goat head farm. http://www.scib.gc.ca/pls/pp/ppack.info?p_psn=12&p_type=all&p_sci=sci&p_x=px It was the only one that said anything at all about chickens. To kill it completely, you need to put the pokeweed on a space away from the soil. I noticed one of them seemed a little bloated and was wet around his mouth from extra salivation. glad your goats recovered. He used a propane blow torch hooked to a 20 lb. With all this going for it, whats not to like? The pasture had a good stand of grass and other safe browse in it, yet when I found the pokeweed it was quite clear these goats had their own little pokeweed party and consumed a fair amount of it. Pokeweed has its passionate defenders, implacable enemies, and some in between, who might wish it wasnt there, but have no qualms about using it for its good qualities. I've seen pokeweed all my life, but didn't know it was poisonous. Jennifer, glad you were abe to detect and treat the problem.I always tell people, if you so not know what the plant is, do not let them near it. Rarely: anemia, possibly death. Thanks for stopping by. Neither one of them was deathly sick but they were definitely feeling under the weather. My experience with this plant started a week or so after I moved three young goat kids to a pasture that had only been home to a horse over the summer. Pokeberry, Pokeroot, Inkberry, Poke. This plant had not been in the pasture before but apparently birds are not affected by the pokeweed berries, which they are quite fond of and will spread the seeds to new locations. Here's another reason: Although birds seem to be immune to the berries, every part of the pokeweed plant is toxic to people. FIRST AID: All varieties of Nightshade only grow between 1-2 in height. My mom told me she remembers my grandmother taking her and her brother out when they were young children to hunt for “poke” in the spring. A good place to get information on that might be an online chicken forum, there will be people there with much more chicken experience than I have. The signs and symptoms of Pokeweed Poisoning can vary from one individual to another. So,... most pokeweed now removed from pasture. The goats NEVER eat the berries or leaves, but they do rub their horns on the trunks/stalks. Instead of tethering your goats, build them a proper fence, or if you need to move them around, use cattle panel sections or electric wire to create a barrier that you can move from place to place during the day. Pokeweed has actually been eaten for hundreds of years, but only through a process that includes boiling the leaves for a long period of time while replacing the … For gastrointestinal irritation, provide better feed and symptomatic care, and signs should abate in about 24 hours. I've found them with purple spots on them. Stems are succulent, purplish, and bear alternate, lance-shaped, shiny leaves with smooth, curled margins. PREVENTION: This is so interesting because on our property in MO, we had what we called 'pokeweed' and we dug up the root and boiled it in water. Technically, yes. Great photos and info. Well, for one thing, its poisonous. I remember being very careful to make sure my girls knew could identify the differences between Elderberry and what we called Deadly Nightshade, when we went Elderberry picking. Was it the pond with almost no water in it that smelled like rotten eggs? It worked great (when used when the poison was fresh.)! This poisonous plant must be cut above its root when it is very young, small and shows no red in the stem; then it must be boiled in two changes of water to render it safe to eat. Oct 23, 2009 #1 . We have several healthy specimens in our yard, mostly around the edges in the fence or up against the h… They've never seem to have had a bad reaction. So with that I can only speak from our experience. I live in the country too, and it is sometimes hard to find fun stuff to do; but having a goat must make it more interesting anyway! Some people, especially in the south eat poke sallet. If you live in the south-eastern US, you’ve likely seen plenty of pokeweed growing wild and never knew the name. You should pen or stall the goat in a quiet place and provide fresh water. DESCRIPTION: propane tank and walked around burning the dried weed and the goat heads as much as possible. Goats ignore poisonous plants most of the time, but because of their need to browse, they may try them just for variety. The fence in the back is 8 tall chain link fencing. Typically in male goats this could be a warning sign of urinary stones but with both of them getting sick at the same time I doubted that. I had no idea they were poisonous. Birds can spread this weed like wildfire by carrying the seeds, and pokeweed will grow anywhere, sun or shade. Pokeweed is very pretty, but toxicity is low. Pokeweed, a perennial with smooth, purplish stems, can grow up to 10 feet tall. I checked their temperatures and that was normal. கால்நடை வளர்ப்பு தொழில் நுட்பங்கள் kingvetsalem 104,123 views 13:52 But I will keep on eye on them. It burns your skin and is toxic to animals and humans. Consumption of the plant is not advised. Was it wilting foliage as leaves fell? peregrine ... the pokeweed, that stuff is nasty. I didn't even know what they were called. Gastrointestinal irritation (colic, diarrhea which may be bloody). Wow, I had no idea these were poisonous! After that, you can leave the plant in the sun to dry out and die. There was no raspy breathing, coughing, running nose or other symptoms that could be respiratory illness. Purdue University does not recommend even handling the plant. ALSO KNOWN AS: Signs usually resolve within a day or two. I fed my goats pokeweed as a treat. Pokeweed can cause nausea, vomiting, cramping, stomach pain, diarrhea, low blood pressure, difficulty controlling urination (incontinence), thirst, and other serious side effects. Sometimes people confuse a variety of Nightshade with Pokeweed. If you see goats eating pokeweed and say, "Wait a minute this is a poisonous plant [to livestock]" — it doesn't affect goats. It grows as a weed in disturbed parts of fields, along fences and beside roads, in clearings, barnyards and low ground. there is a lot of that plant around here and i never knew it's name. When you have livestock be prepared for people and even some vets to tell you that your animals won’t eat poisonous plants unless they are starving. In addition to educating them about this particular plant, getting rid of it for good is a key solution. The research I have done on pokeweed lends two completely opposite conclusions on this. Pokeweed can grow exponentially from a small group to a massive patch itself. Look for samples of the suspected plant to aid in diagnosis. Simple green leaves take up the bulk of it, while green and white flowers and purple berries dot throughout the bush. I think the dye from poke berries is water soluble and can't be fixed very well, so it might do for a one-time dye for the goat and he doesn't have to suffer through the humiliation for TOO long! In plants, pokeweed grows really long up to 10 feet tall. Yes, if the hay is of high quality and more than meets her daily caloric needs, meaning it depends upon the goats you have. SAFETY IN PREPARED FEEDS: You can plant many of these healthy treats in the goat herd browsing area, or inside their pen as a free choice snack. Roth explains that pokeweed is poisonous and, if consumed, can kill an adult human very fast. My Dad has cattle but the good and bad thing about cows is they are lazy grazers, they only want soft green grass so they are less likely to eat something that will make them sick. Great Post!I had no idea Poke was poison !All the old people in my family ate it,as I am sure I did as a kid.Being new to farming I really appreciate when the more experienced folks share their wisdom! Interesting. Your goat can live off of good hay. Best Answer. The drawback to these is that they can be challenging to administer, because they need to be shot with a special gun down the animal’s gullet in order to remain intact and not chewed. The Pokeweed is in the very corner of the fence. Now the question is can you burn pokeweed to make it dead? The small, white to greenish flowers hang in long, drooping, grape-like clusters. what a great post! Contact your veterinarian for help with diagnosis and treatment. Salivation, abdominal pain, diarrhea (which may become bloody) can be noted. My neighbor had a similar goat head issue. . An old timer gave us this tip. Whether a goat that eats a poisonous plant shows signs of poisoning depends on how much of the plant it eats, what part of the plant it eats, the condition of the plant (fresh or dried), the time of year, and the size and health of the goat. http://www.ppdl.purdue.edu/PPDL/weeklypics/Weekly_Picture7-30-01-1.html, http://www.oardc.ohio-state.edu/weedguide/singlerecord.asp?id=270, http://texnat.tamu.edu/cmplants/toxic/Acrobat/Pokeberry.pdf, http://ohioline.osu.edu/b762/b762_24.html, http://www.greensborobirds.com/2008/08/15/which-birds-eat-pokeweed-berries-and-should-you/, http://weeds.cas.psu.edu/psuweeds/POKEWEED.pdf. Then one of them urinated and made that as a cause in this particular case even less likely. There are several plants that can be poisonous to goats. I just wish I could have helped more. The leaves are large and it sometimes resembles a small tree, growing up to 10 feet in height. Pokeweed is also sometimes called pokeberry, American nightshade, pigeonberry, bear’s grape or sometimes inkberry because the juice from the berries has been used as a dye. The chickens definitely like it. Thanks so much for your comment and question. As a non goat-owner, I found this oddly fascinating. Poisonous Pokeweed There is always something going on around here and the past week is been pokeweed. I quickly noticed one did have scours (diarrhea) and the other one showed signs of abdominal pain by standing stretched out and looking back at his stomach followed by hunching his back. wow....this was very interesting. You may wash a goat to show or sell it. You kill the goat by slitting it’s throat, but for kindness sake you’ll want to render it unconscious with a blow to the head. I am observant and aware of poisonous plants in the pastures but somehow I had missed the pokeweed plants that had grown up behind a brush pile in the far corner of this particular pasture. We don't have POKE weed here, thank heaven!Lindahttp://coloradofarmlife.wordpress.com. Pokeweed is an erect herbaceous perennial shrub, 4 to 10 feet tall and 3 to 5 feet wide, with large leaves and showy purple-black berries. even using frontline she contracted it. Molly will only eat the young tender leaves if she is in the mood. Pokeweed can also cause a drop in blood pressure, potentially triggering hypotension (low blood pressure) in people on antihypertensive drugs like ACE inhibitors, beta blockers, and diuretics (water pills). What I really need help on is how to humanely kill the goat. I don't own a gun or a captive bolt gun and i can't get my hands on any of these things so i need a different method where the goat … Strange than you say the root is poisonous. Then check out the food enthusiasm of healthy goats in this video. And have had war with the berries. However when I was a teen some year olds when into the hills and ate some sort of forest plants, I will never forget the awful sound a cow makes when trying to barf! And supervise them or … But, we never had any reaction to digging up the root. Another reason to remove this weed is that it eats up all the good soil of your plants. The bright green, elliptic leaves are smooth, tapered, and alternate on the stem. Perhaps no other weed proves as difficult to prevent, control or kill as common pokeweed (Phytolacca americana), … Goats are pigs, especially when it comes to grain. A goat’s head is unbelievably hard, solid bone, so be prepared with a heavy implement and a strong arm. Washing a goat can also make grooming them easier. The goat kids that were affected recovered quickly and completely in only about a day and a half with some supportive care and removing them from the source of the poison. The birds love the berries, and it does not seem to effect them. Looking at where they were in pasture in a corner a lot of gnawed pokeweed that triggered memory of childhood on the farm with folks telling us kids about it being poison. They had access to good hay and twice daily grain feedings. However, the severity of plant poisoning depends on the quantity of the plant that was eaten, the amount of ground moisture, the health of the animal prior to consuming the toxic plant, and the size and age of the animal that consumed the plant. Some important things to remember about pokeweed are that all parts of this plant are poisonous to both humans and livestock. Maybe. Goats will eat almost anything, but you must guard against your goats eating poisonous plants. Native Americans used the juice for staining feathers, garments and other things. Goats do not need to be washed often, but when they get really dirty, they may be due for a good clean. It can outgrow other plants and ultimately damage or kill them. Gen-IL Most of the research I did only spoke to how poisonous the root is when eaten but you might find this link interesting. P.S. Animals do not voluntarily eat this plant unless there is no other forage available. Not only that, a single plant produces around 50,000 seeds and can live longer. . So bring on the goats! Some people eat parts of the plant (poke salad is an example). 4 of 5 goats quite ill, off feed about 3 weeks ago. Good thing I'm not a goat, huh? Goat-Link - Goat Information and Goat Care. Great post, Jennifer!I'm glad your goats were ok, and that you were alerted to the problem in time. All parts, especially roots and seeds. If you happen to leave this weed unattended, it will swallow up your garden. As with all nutritional toxicology, it is the size of the dose, and the poison present in the plant that will determine whether the animal lives or dies. I also noticed it has something to do with breeds too. I can't help it, it gets my goat when people bludgeon me over the head with their opinions on how to eat - especially when these opinions are both hypocritical and illogical. Since two goats got sick at the same time with gastrointestinal symptoms and had recently been moved to a new pasture I did suspect the possibility they may have consumed something poisonous. Pokeweed is an interesting plant but definitely not a plant you want in your livestock pastures. 95 Things Goats Can … Their inner eyelids were nice and pink so anemia was not the problem. And I'm not a goat person either, altho I do think I'd like them.Would that I could - package up a few rolls of hay and send it to you - do you think UPS ships hay? Goat is killed typically by using khukuri (a short but strong and sharp knife) through decapitation in Nepal. For example, you can put it on a work surface or a tarp. CLASS OF SIGNS: But, if you go this route, expect the herd to devour all of the treats quickly – often before the plant matures and produces the produce is yields that they would most enjoy. We would then put a washcloth dipped in the water to get rid of poi son ivy. Thanks For Visiting! thanks for the info. They are also much smaller. Pokeweed can be identified by its reddish-purple stems and drooping clusters of white-green flowers. We have some in our yard. Maybe the long boiling time leeches the poison out of the root? So I’m wondering how to kill the seeds before I disk the field. http://bodd.cf.ac.uk/BotDermFolder/PHYT.html I would imagine the act of boiling could have made a difference. All animals may potentially be affected. Specializing in articles for the New Goat Owner with understanding of goat physiology, goat anatomy,goat care and herd management. You said they don't affect birds, do you know if that includes chickens? 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